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Will Your Next Smartphone Have Super-Science Wonder Glass?

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:16 pm

Will Your Next Smartphone Have Super-Science Wonder Glass?

Scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have developed glass that won't fog up, doesn't produce any glare, cleans itself, and needs to be on all of our smartphones immediately.

The researchers created multifunctional glass with surface nanotextures that "virtually eliminates reflections, producing glass that is almost unrecognizable because of its absence of glare—and whose surface causes water droplets to bounce right off, like tiny rubber balls," according to MIT News.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:18 pm

dementon wrote:Will Your Next Smartphone Have Super-Science Wonder Glass?

Scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have developed glass that won't fog up, doesn't produce any glare, cleans itself, and needs to be on all of our smartphones immediately.

The researchers created multifunctional glass with surface nanotextures that "virtually eliminates reflections, producing glass that is almost unrecognizable because of its absence of glare—and whose surface causes water droplets to bounce right off, like tiny rubber balls," according to MIT News.

Screw that. I want my spectacles made of it.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:23 pm

...and shatters if you look at it sideways, probably.

The first and foremost attribute of cellphone glass is strength and durability.

That array of glass "spikes" looks as if it would easily crack between the columns, or soon have the spikes toppled if it gets gouged by a fingernail or keys/coins in your pocket.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:44 pm

gcruse wrote:
dementon wrote:Will Your Next Smartphone Have Super-Science Wonder Glass?

Scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology have developed glass that won't fog up, doesn't produce any glare, cleans itself, and needs to be on all of our smartphones immediately.

The researchers created multifunctional glass with surface nanotextures that "virtually eliminates reflections, producing glass that is almost unrecognizable because of its absence of glare—and whose surface causes water droplets to bounce right off, like tiny rubber balls," according to MIT News.

Screw that. I want my spectacles made of it.

:)

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:47 pm

Looks like they are exploiting the Lotus effect for increased water contact angle. I wonder how durable it is. After all, a touch screen on a phone gets abused a lot more than eye glass lenses.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:29 pm

Why does "Super-Science Wonder Glass" sound like something Vince Shlomi would be hawking.

"Hey, Science makes good stuff!"

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:30 pm

Ichneumon wrote:...and shatters if you look at it sideways, probably.

The first and foremost attribute of cellphone glass is strength and durability.

That array of glass "spikes" looks as if it would easily crack between the columns, or soon have the spikes toppled if it gets gouged by a fingernail or keys/coins in your pocket.
Yep. An old joke went about the development of new shoes which were so advanced that they [by themselves] were jumping on the feet of the wearer. And then it turned out that the new shoes cost more than a motorcycle, and were ruined by any contact with dust or dampness.

Re: Will Your Next Smartphone Have Super-Science Wonder Glass?

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:54 pm

It might perhaps be too fragile for cell phone glass. But it might make awesome glass over other LCD type screens, such as in airline cockpits and such. Getting rid of reflection has always been the killer for daylight readable displays. If you put a nasty filter over it, the resulting images is often blurry and dark. And without, it's got too much reflection.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:59 pm

narby wrote:It might perhaps be too fragile for cell phone glass. But it might make awesome glass over other LCD type screens, such as in airline cockpits and such. Getting rid of reflection has always been the killer for daylight readable displays. If you put a nasty filter over it, the resulting images is often blurry and dark. And without, it's got too much reflection.
View under the polarized light. Or put a polarifilter on your eyeglasses.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:09 pm

GSlob wrote:
narby wrote:It might perhaps be too fragile for cell phone glass. But it might make awesome glass over other LCD type screens, such as in airline cockpits and such. Getting rid of reflection has always been the killer for daylight readable displays. If you put a nasty filter over it, the resulting images is often blurry and dark. And without, it's got too much reflection.
View under the polarized light. Or put a polarifilter on your eyeglasses.


There is an entire industry built around these filters. I'm not an expert on it, but I know a few, and there isn't an easy/cheap/good solution.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:24 pm

narby wrote:
GSlob wrote:
narby wrote:It might perhaps be too fragile for cell phone glass. But it might make awesome glass over other LCD type screens, such as in airline cockpits and such. Getting rid of reflection has always been the killer for daylight readable displays. If you put a nasty filter over it, the resulting images is often blurry and dark. And without, it's got too much reflection.
View under the polarized light. Or put a polarifilter on your eyeglasses.


There is an entire industry built around these filters. I'm not an expert on it, but I know a few, and there isn't an easy/cheap/good solution.

And polarized filters only work for transmitted light and only when the polarizing filter is optimally aligned.

That being said, inexpensive, low glare options do exist, at least with with respect to vacuum deposited thin films.

Those columns might fair better if they were polymeric, like the roll on roll production method speculated in the article. If polymeric, they would be far more flexible than glass columns. They could bend and recover rather than break. It would only be a matter of using a material with the right loss modulus.

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Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:29 pm

doc30 wrote:
narby wrote:
GSlob wrote:
narby wrote:It might perhaps be too fragile for cell phone glass. But it might make awesome glass over other LCD type screens, such as in airline cockpits and such. Getting rid of reflection has always been the killer for daylight readable displays. If you put a nasty filter over it, the resulting images is often blurry and dark. And without, it's got too much reflection.
View under the polarized light. Or put a polarifilter on your eyeglasses.


There is an entire industry built around these filters. I'm not an expert on it, but I know a few, and there isn't an easy/cheap/good solution.

And polarized filters only work for transmitted light and only when the polarizing filter is optimally aligned.

That being said, inexpensive, low glare options do exist, at least with with respect to vacuum deposited thin films.

Those columns might fair better if they were polymeric, like the roll on roll production method speculated in the article. If polymeric, they would be far more flexible than glass columns. They could bend and recover rather than break. It would only be a matter of using a material with the right loss modulus.
submicron glass fibers are rather flexible. But the easiest use for polarifilters is to put them on the light sources, and then adjust.

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Tue May 01, 2012 1:00 am

GSlob wrote:
doc30 wrote:
narby wrote:
GSlob wrote:
narby wrote:It might perhaps be too fragile for cell phone glass. But it might make awesome glass over other LCD type screens, such as in airline cockpits and such. Getting rid of reflection has always been the killer for daylight readable displays. If you put a nasty filter over it, the resulting images is often blurry and dark. And without, it's got too much reflection.
View under the polarized light. Or put a polarifilter on your eyeglasses.


There is an entire industry built around these filters. I'm not an expert on it, but I know a few, and there isn't an easy/cheap/good solution.

And polarized filters only work for transmitted light and only when the polarizing filter is optimally aligned.

That being said, inexpensive, low glare options do exist, at least with with respect to vacuum deposited thin films.

Those columns might fair better if they were polymeric, like the roll on roll production method speculated in the article. If polymeric, they would be far more flexible than glass columns. They could bend and recover rather than break. It would only be a matter of using a material with the right loss modulus.
submicron glass fibers are rather flexible. But the easiest use for polarifilters is to put them on the light sources, and then adjust.

Light source in our case is the sun.

Installation is done by the local farmer. In brazil. Or china.

There there are solutions, but all of them are compromises.

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Tue May 01, 2012 1:12 am

narby wrote:
GSlob wrote:submicron glass fibers are rather flexible. But the easiest use for polarifilters is to put them on the light sources, and then adjust.

Light source in our case is the sun.

Installation is done by the local farmer. In brazil. Or china.

There there are solutions, but all of them are compromises.
the local farmers, even in brazil or in china, use windows. Their indoors light source, for all intents and purposes, is a window - and that could be fitted with a polarifilter. Fitting a lamp with a polarifilter is even easier.

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Tue May 01, 2012 5:51 am

whys polarize the light source? Reflected light is naturally polarized. The idea is to reduce glare. Wearing polarized sunglasses will help with respect to instrument panel glare. Adding antireflective coatings would add an order of magnitude improvement.

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Tue May 01, 2012 11:39 am

doc30 wrote:whys polarize the light source? Reflected light is naturally polarized. The idea is to reduce glare. Wearing polarized sunglasses will help with respect to instrument panel glare. Adding antireflective coatings would add an order of magnitude improvement.


I think a direct optical cable "brain to device" link would work best but I think that tech is still a wee bit down the road.

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Tue May 01, 2012 3:42 pm

My next smartphone was the Galaxy SII Skyrocket.
I like.

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Wed May 02, 2012 10:10 pm

My next smart phone:
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I like.
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Wed May 02, 2012 10:13 pm

radioastronomer wrote:
doc30 wrote:whys polarize the light source? Reflected light is naturally polarized. The idea is to reduce glare. Wearing polarized sunglasses will help with respect to instrument panel glare. Adding antireflective coatings would add an order of magnitude improvement.


I think a direct optical cable "brain to device" link would work best but I think that tech is still a wee bit down the road.
Do not bother with optical cable. Direct telepathy. And as for the polarization of reflected light - yes, if it is reflected from the non- [or weakly] conductive surfaces. That's why the metal things [like coins] lying on the ground glint differently from the, say, pieces of glass or plastic. This property could be used rather impressively when locating such coins under very limited light conditions [dusk, or even nighttime under city lights].

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Wed May 02, 2012 10:55 pm

radioastronomer wrote:I think a direct optical cable "brain to device" link would work best but I think that tech is still a wee bit down the road.

We'll need the kind of optical cable that can grow, and can direct its path of growth; that can interact with neurons electrically, but without interfering with their chemistry; that can read memories out of cells, and transfer them to other cells.

Then we can communicate without effort with our machines, and with each other.

Then we can not only communicate with the merest application of thought, but arrange for transmigrating into our clones.

Then we will become the extensions to our machines, instead of their becoming extensions to us.

From my fourth book, ("Reaction!"), the voice of the computer speaks, processor to brain:

    "I have a network of communication fibers spread throughout your brain and your body. I have been monitoring and guiding your development from the beginning, transferring memories from your original body as your intellectual capacity developed."

And then, ultimately:

    "You think you own me?"

    "Yes I do! I absolutely own you! I possess you. You are one of my attributes. I have acquired mastery and dominion over you. I dominate and control you. I hold you. I have seized you, and you are mine. That is not just one, but all of the definitions of ownership. But because I own you, and you are one of my priceless treasures, you should realize that I will not hurt you."

    "Will you let me leave?"

    There was a pause.

    "Not yet."

Re: Will Your Next Smartphone Have Super-Science Wonder Glass?

Thu May 03, 2012 3:10 am

doc30 wrote:whys polarize the light source? Reflected light is naturally polarized. The idea is to reduce glare. Wearing polarized sunglasses will help with respect to instrument panel glare. Adding antireflective coatings would add an order of magnitude improvement.

There is a Jay Cost article [and thread] on the polarizing properties of obaa. Just imagine him being fitted to some window, preferably on a higher floor.

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