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Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:08 pm

Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'
By STEVE SZKOTAK, Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 10, 12:02 AM ET

RICHMOND, Va. - Scientists have confirmed the second case of a "virgin birth" in a shark.

In a study reported Friday in the Journal of Fish Biology, scientists said DNA testing proved that a pup carried by a female Atlantic blacktip shark in the Virginia Aquarium & Marine Science Center contained no genetic material from a male...

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Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:14 pm

The next thing you know it will pull a miracle. Say, it will eat a visitor through the aquarium glass.

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:19 pm

GSlob wrote:The next thing you know it will pull a miracle. Say, it will eat a visitor through the aquarium glass.

"Candygram..."

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:22 pm

GSlob wrote:The next thing you know it will pull a miracle. Say, it will eat a visitor through the aquarium glass.


Or swim in air. Or turn wine into water. Or create loaves of bread.

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:26 pm

Physicist wrote:
GSlob wrote:The next thing you know it will pull a miracle. Say, it will eat a visitor through the aquarium glass.


Or swim in air. Or turn wine into water. Or create loaves of bread.
I tried to avoid plagiarism [even if indirect] as much as possible.

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:39 pm

There is a scientists here at WSU who has been cloning salmon for years, no male DNA involved. How is this different?

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:45 pm

Wyatt Earp wrote:There is a scientists here at WSU who has been cloning salmon for years, no male DNA involved. How is this different?


The shark didn't have a lab, or, presumably, a degree (unless it was in law).

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:22 am

GSlob wrote:The next thing you know it will pull a miracle.
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Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:25 am

Physicist wrote:
Or swim in air.


Land Shark!

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Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:25 am

Physicist wrote:
GSlob wrote:The next thing you know it will pull a miracle. Say, it will eat a visitor through the aquarium glass.


Or swim in air. Or turn wine into water. Or create loaves of bread.



Not crackers!
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Are consecration fins!
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Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:40 am

Quark2005 wrote:
Physicist wrote:
Or swim in air.


Land Shark!

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Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:12 pm

Physicist wrote:
GSlob wrote:The next thing you know it will pull a miracle. Say, it will eat a visitor through the aquarium glass.


Or swim in air. Or turn wine into water. Or create loaves of bread.


Or run for POTUS.

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:17 pm

Well, I'm glad to see that my modest prodding re miracles was ably picked up and taken to the new heights. A tad more creativity, though, would not have hurt.

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:33 am

excineribus wrote:
Wyatt Earp wrote:There is a scientists here at WSU who has been cloning salmon for years, no male DNA involved. How is this different?


The shark didn't have a lab, or, presumably, a degree (unless it was in law).

:lol: :lol:

In this case, the daughter wasn't a clone of the mother. Somehow, the egg (haploid) duplicated its chromosomes to become diploid. I tried to figure that out last week and stumbled on it in a news article of some kind, but I didn't bookmark it. ](*,) I did find an article that said this:

The testing showed the female pup's DNA matched only one female who lived in the tank, and that no male DNA was present in the pup. The pup was not a twin or clone of her mother, but rather, contained only half of her mother's DNA ("automictic parthenogenesis").

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:46 am

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"Life will find a way."

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:42 pm

Feminazi Fish.

Re: Scientists: Va. shark's pup a 'virgin birth'

Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:44 pm

lola wrote:In this case, the daughter wasn't a clone of the mother. Somehow, the egg (haploid) duplicated its chromosomes to become diploid.

It looks like this can happen in human ovaries sometimes, but the result is a teratoma (a tumor containing tissues from more than one embryonic tissue layer). This may be due to mammalian genomic imprinting, patterns of methylation of DNA set during gamete production. In embryogenesis paternal DNA controls the development of the placenta and related tissues, while maternal DNA runs early embryonic development. If only maternal DNA is present you get a teratoma (production of abnormal embryonic tissues), and if only paternal DNA is present you get a hydatidiform mole, or molar pregnancy (production of abnormal chorionic villi).

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