Birth Certificate Issue Bubbles Up

Rush Limbaugh
July 20, 2009

This is a town meeting in Delaware. An unidentified woman and Representative Mike Castle have the following exchange. It's about Obama's birth certificate.

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Is Rush becoming a birther?

Watch this woman flip out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc

Good points by this dude:

Mike Castle Encounters the Birthers: Not sure if anyone won, but our movement is losing thanks to these people.
Leon H. Wolf
RedState
July 21, 2009

...This town hall could have been an excellent opportunity to engage in some constructive shaping of Castle’s platform. Instead, a bunch of jackass clowns showed up and turned the entire affair into a YouTube cause celebre for… the birther movement...

...I will posit, for the sake of argument, that the basic premise of the birther movement is correct. Obama was born in Kenya and is not a “natural born citizen.” Okay. Now what? What on earth do the birthers think will be done about it?...

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God knows where the freak was born. But if it turns out that it was Kenya, all hell will break loose. Better to forget it, perhaps.

God knows where the freak was born. But if it turns out that it was Kenya, all hell will break loose. Better to forget it, perhaps.

It would be a great Democrat hole card, though. Should Obama screw up so badly that Democrats see their own party suffering horribly, I can see a Democrat operative "leaking" the TRVE* birth certificate to the press. Obama is forced from office (and possibly Biden, too, though not as likely).

*I'm not saying Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii. However, enough money can alter records.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

You should wonder why he doesn't produce it. Decieving the country about a requirement for the presidency sounds like "high crimes and misdemenors" to me.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

You should wonder why he doesn't produce it.

Leaving aside the fact that he has produced it (I am not going to hold Obama to a standard that I am unwilling to meet myself; long-form birth certificates are great for facilitating identity theft) . . .

Because not producing it gets the right to waste its time on wacko conspiracy theories and allows Obama to portray ALL who oppose him as a bunch of crazies, just as the GOP beat the Dems over the head with the 9/11 troofers.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

You should wonder why he doesn't produce it. Decieving the country about a requirement for the presidency sounds like "high crimes and misdemenors" to me.

He's produced everything that a sane person would need to accept he was born in Hawaii. Also, there is no evidence his mother ever set foot in Kenya in her life. Ever.

No evidence will ever (could ever) convince the hardcore birther.

I found images of the birth certificate at an online site.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

It looks genuine and shows the things that the birthers claim aren't there. It's like all conspircy therories, too many people would have to be in on it for a conspiracy to be practical. I did a Google search on Obama _ birth certificate truther. The first two results were more than enough to explode this rubbish.

It didn't take me long to find it using a search engine. All the evidence that you could reasonably want is there. But nothing will convince the birthers any more than anything will convince a 9/11 truther. They want to believe it and no matter what evidence you shoew them they will come up with a contrived way of explaining it away. Granted they aren't quite as vile as 9/11 truthers since they are only alleging fraud without any realevidence rather than alleging murder.

The birthers play into Obamas hands because the give him opponents that are obvious kooks. I suspect this is why they are not making great efforts to disprove the claims.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

If his mom is American, so is he. Doesn't matter where he was born and any immigration court would throw out any case against Obama. It's really a stupid issue, right up there with fake moon landings and 9/11 trvthers.

The birthers play into Obamas hands because the give him opponents that are obvious kooks. I suspect this is why they are not making great efforts to disprove the claims.

Exactly. And it’s a diversion from what’s really important, i.e. the socialist policies Obama and his czars are foisting on us.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

It is one of those "funny if true" things that are otherwise not worth thinking too hard or too much about.

As I previously pointed out on another thread - I'd like to see his sealed college transcripts and records. I think there's a lot of potentially damaging stuff in there - and he really is hiding those...

As I previously pointed out on another thread - I'd like to see his sealed college transcripts and records. I think there's a lot of potentially damaging stuff in there - and he really is hiding those...

Really? Or is he relying on the privacy that all of us have in our educational records?

I don't want my transcripts recklessly divulged, nor do most other people. There are reasons for that - ID theft being one, and in other areas, some things are just nobody else's damn business.

I took a pass on a couple of jobs in the past, as the hourly wage drones at a couple of headhunters wanted a whole lot of data on me prior to referring me on to the listed jobs - as I told the wage drones, "I'll be happy to grant all the info and access needed to the actual prospective employer, but I'm uncomfortable having it spread too far around." Rather than accomodation, the headhunter struck me off the list.

No loss.

Really? Or is he relying on the privacy that all of us have in our educational records?

I don't want my transcripts recklessly divulged, nor do most other people. There are reasons for that - ID theft being one, and in other areas, some things are just nobody else's damn business.

I took a pass on a couple of jobs in the past, as the hourly wage drones at a couple of headhunters wanted a whole lot of data on me prior to referring me on to the listed jobs - as I told the wage drones, "I'll be happy to grant all the info and access needed to the actual prospective employer, but I'm uncomfortable having it spread too far around." Rather than accomodation, the headhunter struck me off the list.

No loss.

Don't feel bad. Same thing happened to Marduk, for the same reason.

Really? Or is he relying on the privacy that all of us have in our educational records?

The people in the silos and subs--i.e, the ones who would turn keys on his order to do so--have no such privacy. It's called the "Personnel Reliability Program." The goal is to keep crazies and moral defectives away from the nukes.

It's kind of ironic that the topmost job in the nuclear chain of command is the one job that doesn't require a PRP ticket.

As I previously pointed out on another thread - I'd like to see his sealed college transcripts and records. I think there's a lot of potentially damaging stuff in there - and he really is hiding those...

Which other major party presidential candidates in recent history have not produced their college transcripts? This is not a rhetorical question. I don't know the answer.

I wish to correctly frame the situation and those responsible for creating it in the first place:

1) The Candidate....for not providing vital information on his suitablity for the position of President, and instead seemingly blocking any further inquiry;
2)The MSM.....for glossing over/spiking/ignoring this important and glaring omission in the Presidential Candidate's suitability for Office;
3) The Federal Elections Commission......which certifies the credentials of the Presidential Candidate.

Sorry to feel insulted by your use of the word 'Birther', as if I'd also deny either the Holocaust or that bin Laden and the boys were responsible for 911 and instead it was Cheney and Bush, but with all due respect........ (except without a smile)

I wish to correctly frame the situation and those responsible for creating it in the first place:

1) The Candidate....for not providing vital information on his suitablity for the position of President, and instead seemingly blocking any further inquiry;
2)The MSM.....for glossing over/spiking/ignoring this important and glaring omission in the Presidential Candidate's suitability for Office;
3) The Federal Elections Commission......which certifies the credentials of the Presidential Candidate.

Sorry to feel insulted by your use of the word 'Birther', as if I'd also deny either the Holocaust or that bin Laden and the boys were responsible for 911 and instead it was Cheney and Bush, but with all due respect........ (except without a smile)

But none of those 3 points is valid. Birthers really are not much different than 9/11 TRVTHERS. There is no sane reason to not accept the Hawaii certificate of live birth. His mother never set foot in Kenya. A newspaper reported his birth in Hawaii at the time, and the newspaper policy was to go to the bureau of records there periodically for info on deaths, births, marriages, and so on in Hawaii. It wasn't something a relative would have sent in.

All of the onus is on the birthers to show Obama wasn't born in Hawaii at this point, and they have so far provided nothing. I'm sure Obama finds their musings hysterically funny.

As I previously pointed out on another thread - I'd like to see his sealed college transcripts and records. I think there's a lot of potentially damaging stuff in there - and he really is hiding those...

Which other major party presidential candidates in recent history have not produced their college transcripts? This is not a rhetorical question. I don't know the answer.

Probably none, but Democrats get a pass on all sorts of things. Bill Clinton was the first presidential candidate in recent years who claimed privacy rights over his medical records.

It won't be long before a Democrat runs for president and claims his public record is off limits. If he/she/it is far enough to the left, the media will be happy to oblige.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

If his mom is American, so is he. Doesn't matter where he was born and any immigration court would throw out any case against Obama. It's really a stupid issue, right up there with fake moon landings and 9/11 trvthers.

Bottom line. This is a non-issue. I don't care if he was born in Kenya, Jakarta, or the North Pole.

I don't care if he was born in Kenya, Jakarta, or the North Pole.

I do! If it gets out he was born at the North Pole, people will believe he's Santa Claus.

Speaking for myself, I define birthers as being the activists that push this stuff, like the people filing the lawsuits, WingNutDaily, and this silly woman.

I consider the rank and file people who follow along with this stuff to be victims. And who among us has not been a victim of a political scam at one time or another?

I'd like to see his college transcripts also. Since we the American people are Obama's "employer," I don't see the "privacy" argument really applying. As to identity theft, I'm pretty sure the Secret Service has ways of making sure imposters don't pose as the President and get away with it. (Is some guy who prints up fake Social Security cards in his basement somehow going to sneak into the Rose Garden and sign off on legislation?)

I really haven't been following the details and have seen no reason to.

My wife's fther was born in India (in a part that is now in Pakistan) of American parents. I'd hate to think that the children of travelling parents lose citizenship rights.

So I don't really care about the geography of the birth. Americans are Americans if their parents are.