Birth Certificate Issue Bubbles Up

I don't care if he was born in Kenya, Jakarta, or the North Pole.

I do! If it gets out he was born at the North Pole, people will believe he's Santa Claus.

Uh-oh.

Compare and contrast:
(I know, I know )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V1nmn2zRMc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ez-NpFVwQw

Compare and contrast:

Buzz is a man of great restraint.

[Komarovsky]

I'd like to see his college transcripts also. Since we the American people are Obama's "employer," I don't see the "privacy" argument really applying. As to identity theft, I'm pretty sure the Secret Service has ways of making sure imposters don't pose as the President and get away with it. (Is some guy who prints up fake Social Security cards in his basement somehow going to sneak into the Rose Garden and sign off on legislation?)

The law doesn't make that distinction, so what you'd like and what is required are two completely different things.

It also helps to preserve the privacy of previous instructors and acquaintances, none of whom would want to be set upon by hordes of drooling sycophants like Les Kinsolving or Jerome Corsi for poorly remembered and breathlessly recounted nuggets.

As to the "release" part on the birth certificate, "release" to whom? Who in their right mind would ship out official COLBs (that little stupid footie certificate doesn't count, and the COLB is how I get passports, drivers licenses, etc.) to these idiots for mischief and misuse? For instance, when I look at fake internet "expert" Polarik, I see a guy who abides by no forensic standard I've ever seen, and I've hired and dealt with them before. My guess is that he's probably a sockpuppet for somebody of the ilk of Trident/Delta, a complete charlatan who gains a following.

What I really like is this:

http://washingtonindependent.com/51798/ ... ed-in-2004

One of the more amusing quirks of the “birther” movement is the quality of the legal minds in whom Obama birth certificate obsessives are placing their trust — and their occasional donations. Phil Berg, the original “birther” lawyer, has been forced to pay out sanctions for legal malpractice. Orly Taitz, famously, got her law degree from an online correspondence school. And it turns out that Charles Lincoln, who has been assisting Taitz — he provided judges with amended complaints in Keyes et al v. Obama et al last week and he showed up at the last hearing on the case— has been disbarred in California, as well as Florida and Texas.

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In 2000, Lincoln was convicted in Texas on a federal charge of falsely representing his Social Security number, a felony. As a result, he gave up his license to practice in the state.

Originally charged with five felonies, the case resulted from Lincoln applying for a checking account using a false Social Security number.

In a second matter, he was disbarred from U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas after a federal judge requested an investigation of Lincoln because two of his clients had a falsified receipt. The receipt purported to be from the federal court clerk and represented funds the clients had given Lincoln. The clients believed Lincoln was depositing their money in an escrow account related to their case.

Two days before a hearing by the federal court’s admissions committee, Lincoln went to his clients’ home, instructed them not to tell the judge that he gave them the receipt, which he asked them not to produce, and he gave the clients a cashier’s check for $6,000. He did not appear at the hearing.

In a previous lawsuit, the same judge determined that Lincoln was involved in discovery abuse and filed duplicative motions. The judge issued sanctions and dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice.

...

Fine help that Orly got herself.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 6485/posts

The Judge assured Orly that the case would be given top priority and would be quote, “resolved quicker in this court than in any other court.”

LOL, hahahaahah

I just got off the phone with Attorney Charles Lincoln who has been working with Dr. Orly and was at the hearing today.

The judge denied default BUT he ordered that the case proceed without any objections, and that the case would be decided on its merits.

ETA - Here's Lincoln's nutty website & some links.

http://charleslincoln.spiritualpatriot.com/

http://charleslincoln3.wordpress.com/

http://charleslincoln3.wordpress.com/about/

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Compare and contrast:

Buzz is a man of great restraint.

I liked that.

Just to clarify my own statement, when I wrote "I'd like to see his college transcripts also," I should have phrased it, "I also would like to see his college transcripts." I don't care about the birth certificate thing. I realize I don't have a "legal right" to see the transcripts. I'd just like to, mainly to see what kind of moonbat classes he took as an undergraduate.

Really? Or is he relying on the privacy that all of us have in our educational records?

The people in the silos and subs--i.e, the ones who would turn keys on his order to do so--have no such privacy. It's called the "Personnel Reliability Program." The goal is to keep crazies and moral defectives away from the nukes.

It's kind of ironic that the topmost job in the nuclear chain of command is the one job that doesn't require a PRP ticket.

Yep.
I lost out on a FTMB (Fire Control Tech, Missile, Ballistic) slot cause I smoked some dope in high school. But I got my second choice: STS (Submarine Sonar Tech).
I don't know how anybody with a history of cocaine use can make it into the CoC with that story ...

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

If his mom is American, so is he. Doesn't matter where he was born and any immigration court would throw out any case against Obama. It's really a stupid issue, right up there with fake moon landings and 9/11 trvthers.

I think ... and I may be wrong on this ... while a person born to an American citizen is an American citizen from birth, to be eligible to be President, they have to actually be born in U.S. territory, regardless of parental citizenship.

I'm still not sure what to think of the whole birth certificate thing.

If his mom is American, so is he. Doesn't matter where he was born and any immigration court would throw out any case against Obama. It's really a stupid issue, right up there with fake moon landings and 9/11 trvthers.

I think ... and I may be wrong on this ... while a person born to an American citizen is an American citizen from birth, to be eligible to be President, they have to actually be born in U.S. territory, regardless of parental citizenship.

There are several scenarios.

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Wouldn't the bold scenario cover Obama?

I think ... and I may be wrong on this ... while a person born to an American citizen is an American citizen from birth, to be eligible to be President, they have to actually be born in U.S. territory, regardless of parental citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

What people want to see is the original birth certificate not a certified modern certificate. I believe there are several reasons he doesn't want it seen beyond the born in Kenya scenario therefore I would like to see the original. I could and would have provided the original. Thew silliest reason i have seen in this thread for him not to show it is the Identity theft one. Hard to pull off that one off since he is the Pres. I am sure he has Lifelock.

As to his citizenship at birth if he had been born in Kenya due to his mother's age the federal law in the 1960's would have not allowed him citizenship.

I find it hard to believe that someone in 1961 thought to fake a newspaper announcement, just in cse he might run for president.

I have read that O spent upwards of 800,000 dollars preventing his original BC from being made available. If so, and for all I know, that story is wrong, then why?

I believe there are facts about his father he doesn't want known. Obama may be ashamed his father is listed as a Negro in the race category, His father may be listed as an Arab and that would not sit well with his Black backers. However it is certain he has taken pains to conceal the original document.

Wouldn't the bold scenario cover Obama?

It would, if it had been in effect in 1961.

Apparently, at the time, the residency requirement was at least ten years in the US, with at least five of those being after the age of 14. Obama's mother did not qualify on the second part.

Per Volokh.

This all, of course, presumes that he was actually born outside the US, and not in Hawaii.

I find it hard to believe that someone in 1961 thought to fake a newspaper announcement, just in cse he might run for president.

I see that in your case the conspiracy is working.

I find it hard to believe that someone in 1961 thought to fake a newspaper announcement, just in cse he might run for president.

I see that in your case the conspiracy is working.

We all know how hard it is to fake a newspaper story.

I have read that O spent upwards of 800,000 dollars preventing his original BC from being made available. If so, and for all I know, that story is wrong, then why?

Another internetly flogged rumor, based on nothing. The creation of a perception, even a wrong one, has value in and unto itself, as we saw during the Schiavo fiasco. One of the things that I noticed then was the tendency of the same names posting up the same verifiably bogus claims over and over despite getting repeatedly shot down. Same thing with the "he's spent millions defending it" thing, which is nonsense.

Medved is ripping the birthers right now.

http://krla870.townhall.com/

We all know how hard it is to fake a newspaper story.

I've read it's impossible.

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I just genuinely enjoying the notion that these district judges take pleadings that are the basic equivalent of claiming that Obama "could be a Martian brain eater", and that they'd say "yup, that could be so I'm going to do something. don't know what, since the thing that Hawaii will produce by law will be the Certificate of Live Birth".

Their "expert" forensic guy acts like no genuine forensic expert I've ever seen, won't identify himself or the experiential basis of his opinions, and judges are supposed to take him seriously? Taitz solicits clients in jurisdictions where she isn't admitted and files ridiculous litigation without getting leave to proceed pro hac vice?