Penn State AD Tim Curley, VP Gary Schultz will step down ...

Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:32 am

Penn State AD Tim Curley, VP Gary Schultz will step down after Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal and cover-up
Resignations of Paterno and other not discussed at Penn State
Sunday night, Penn State annnounced athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz have stepped down amid allegations of an explosive child-sex abuse scandal and cover-up.

And while the pair will not survive the scandal, it is believed Penn State football icon Joe Paterno probably adhered to the letter of the law when he told the school’s athletic director - but not the police - that former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky allegedly sexually abused a boy in the Nittany Lions’ locker room in 2002.

But attorneys familiar with child abuse statutes say that while the venerable college coach may not face criminal charges, he is hardly an innocent bystander. ...

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:04 am

And why is there such a beast as an athletic director? A university is there to train cognitive types, and not baboons and gorillas.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:30 am

GSlob wrote:And why is there such a beast as an athletic director? A university is there to train cognitive types, and not baboons and gorillas.

Universities, at least here, are primarily for athletics, and the money they bring in, and secondarily for academics.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:38 am

RaccoonRevolution wrote:
GSlob wrote:And why is there such a beast as an athletic director? A university is there to train cognitive types, and not baboons and gorillas.

Universities, at least here, are primarily for athletics, and the money they bring in, and secondarily for academics.
Which is the grossest error, and doubly so for the research universities. Recite The Mantratm, and close the athletics program.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:07 am

Mens sana in corpore sano.

Two years of PE were required in my heavily academic undergraduate institution. That's where I learned the basics of fencing.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:21 pm

PE is one thing [regular calisthenics would do, 2 hours a week], "athletic program" is another.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:10 pm

The highest paid state employee in New Jersey is the Rutgers football coach.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:12 pm

Nilla wrote:The highest paid state employee in New Jersey is the Rutgers football coach.
Well, were it up to me, he would not be. And I do not mean raising the pay of the others.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:15 pm

GSlob wrote:
Nilla wrote:The highest paid state employee in New Jersey is the Rutgers football coach.
Well, were it up to me, he would not be. And I do not mean raising the pay of the others.

I'm just guessing here that the football program brings more money into Rutgers than all the others combined. Woodsman, spare that golden goose. :mrgreen:

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:25 pm

gcruse wrote:
GSlob wrote:
Nilla wrote:The highest paid state employee in New Jersey is the Rutgers football coach.
Well, were it up to me, he would not be. And I do not mean raising the pay of the others.

I'm just guessing here that the football program brings more money into Rutgers than all the others combined. Woodsman, spare that golden goose. :mrgreen:
With the money now going into that football I would try to hire a couple of good nobeliates [or up-and-coming ones] instead . And these [unless the spent coasters] bring with them a lot - money/grants, PR/recognition, people [bright postdocs]. The absolutely last thing I would want to see on any campus are the anacephalic jocks and everything connected with such. Is MIT known for its athletics?

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:31 pm

GSlob wrote:
gcruse wrote:
GSlob wrote:
Nilla wrote:The highest paid state employee in New Jersey is the Rutgers football coach.
Well, were it up to me, he would not be. And I do not mean raising the pay of the others.

I'm just guessing here that the football program brings more money into Rutgers than all the others combined. Woodsman, spare that golden goose. :mrgreen:
With the money now going into that football I would try to hire a couple of good nobeliates [or up-and-coming ones] instead . And these [unless the spent coasters] bring with them a lot - money/grants, PR/recognition, people [bright postdocs]. The absolutely last thing I would want to see on any campus are the anacephalic jocks and everything connected with such. Is MIT known for its athletics?

We're talking New Jersey here, mate. LOL

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

gcruse wrote:
GSlob wrote:
Nilla wrote:The highest paid state employee in New Jersey is the Rutgers football coach.
Well, were it up to me, he would not be. And I do not mean raising the pay of the others.

I'm just guessing here that the football program brings more money into Rutgers than all the others combined. Woodsman, spare that golden goose. :mrgreen:

Football is often the biggest single outside source of academic money. It's been that way since 1879 or so.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:45 pm

gcruse wrote:
GSlob wrote:
gcruse wrote:I'm just guessing here that the football program brings more money into Rutgers than all the others combined. Woodsman, spare that golden goose. :mrgreen:
With the money now going into that football I would try to hire a couple of good nobeliates [or up-and-coming ones] instead . And these [unless the spent coasters] bring with them a lot - money/grants, PR/recognition, people [bright postdocs]. The absolutely last thing I would want to see on any campus are the anacephalic jocks and everything connected with such. Is MIT known for its athletics?

We're talking New Jersey here, mate. LOL
Serious cognitive activities are possible even in New Jersey. IIRC, Princeton is still there. But the thrust remains: strive to become another MIT, and tell the jocks to go and fuck themselves - somewhere else.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:42 pm

Joe Paterno’s Fall
Michael Tomasky
The Daily Beast
November 8, 2011

For college-football fans, Penn State’s Coach Joe Paterno was a great man. But his failure to bring a rapist [Jerry Sandusky] to justice has ruined his reputation for good, argues Michael Tomasky.

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:03 pm

Ender Wiggin wrote:Joe Paterno’s Fall
Michael Tomasky
The Daily Beast
November 8, 2011

For college-football fans, Penn State’s Coach Joe Paterno was a great man. But his failure to bring a rapist [Jerry Sandusky] to justice has ruined his reputation for good, argues Michael Tomasky.

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I liked him less still when I read that he (and Lou Holtz) had attended Newt Gingrich’s birthday party in 1995


Heavens. This story is replete with assholes both as subject and author.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:45 am

Personal Foul at Penn State


By MAUREEN DOWD

MD is -- this time -- 100 per cent right.

I didn't know what a witness actually saw this despicable creep doing to a child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/opini ... odayspaper

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:17 am

compo23 wrote:Personal Foul at Penn State


By MAUREEN DOWD

MD is -- this time -- 100 per cent right.

I didn't know what a witness actually saw this despicable creep doing to a child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/opini ... odayspaper


Yeah. From what I gather, it was a graduate assistant who didn't tell anyone because he was afraid he'd lose his job.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:06 pm

kellynch wrote:
compo23 wrote:Personal Foul at Penn State


By MAUREEN DOWD

MD is -- this time -- 100 per cent right.

I didn't know what a witness actually saw this despicable creep doing to a child.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/opini ... odayspaper


Yeah. From what I gather, it was a graduate assistant who didn't tell anyone because he was afraid he'd lose his job.

Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts were all over this on the FAN this morning. Apparently there are idiots who are supporting Paterno and rallied on his front lawn last night. The whole episode is sick beyond belief. Nebraska should outright refuse to play Penn State this week if Paterno is still coaching. Eff him.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:09 pm

Scandal Ends Paterno's 46-Year Penn State Tenure

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... malertNEWS

Or as one of Mussolini's killers said: "Benito, you're finito".

BY DARREN EVERSON

Joe Paterno has decided to retire as Pennsylvania State University's football coach at the end of the season, in the wake of a child-sex-abuse scandal involving his former longtime assistant coach. Mr. Paterno confirmed his departure in a statement released by the school.

"I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can," he said in the statement.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:16 pm

compo23 wrote:Scandal Ends Paterno's 46-Year Penn State Tenure

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... malertNEWS

Or as one of Mussolini's killers said: "Benito, you're finito".

BY DARREN EVERSON

Joe Paterno has decided to retire as Pennsylvania State University's football coach at the end of the season, in the wake of a child-sex-abuse scandal involving his former longtime assistant coach. Mr. Paterno confirmed his departure in a statement released by the school.

"I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can," he said in the statement.

Whatever. He is 84 years old and probably would have retired anyway.

If he had any integrity, he would quit today.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:25 pm

Nilla wrote:Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts were all over this on the FAN this morning. Apparently there are idiots who are supporting Paterno and rallied on his front lawn last night. The whole episode is sick beyond belief. Nebraska should outright refuse to play Penn State this week if Paterno is still coaching. Eff him.

Well, what was he supposed to do? To take the matters in his own hands? To report it? - and report it he did, upstairs inside his organization. His unwillingness to get himself involved more than was necessary is entirely understandable. He passed the buck of dealing with the law enforcement, public relations mess, etc. to the others whose job it was to deal with these.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:49 pm

Penn State implies State Pen?

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:54 pm

GSlob wrote:
Nilla wrote:Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts were all over this on the FAN this morning. Apparently there are idiots who are supporting Paterno and rallied on his front lawn last night. The whole episode is sick beyond belief. Nebraska should outright refuse to play Penn State this week if Paterno is still coaching. Eff him.

Well, what was he supposed to do? To take the matters in his own hands? To report it? - and report it he did, upstairs inside his organization. His unwillingness to get himself involved more than was necessary is entirely understandable. He passed the buck of dealing with the law enforcement, public relations mess, etc. to the others whose job it was to deal with these.
Quite so.

Since JoePa didn't witness the act, he was, at best, reporting on gossip, --a rumor.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:18 pm

dread wrote:
GSlob wrote:
Nilla wrote:Joe Beningo and Evan Roberts were all over this on the FAN this morning. Apparently there are idiots who are supporting Paterno and rallied on his front lawn last night. The whole episode is sick beyond belief. Nebraska should outright refuse to play Penn State this week if Paterno is still coaching. Eff him.

Well, what was he supposed to do? To take the matters in his own hands? To report it? - and report it he did, upstairs inside his organization. His unwillingness to get himself involved more than was necessary is entirely understandable. He passed the buck of dealing with the law enforcement, public relations mess, etc. to the others whose job it was to deal with these.
Quite so.

Since JoePa didn't witness the act, he was, at best, reporting on gossip, --a rumor.


And he has been excoriated for following the law. (Report gossip to one's superior or at least one's boss as a superior may not be so easy to find.) The legal policy was probably adopted to avoid the problems of false accusation.

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Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:27 pm

MOAR Penn State Drama ...

Report: Spanier out today
No surprise here. The Easton Express-Times is reporting the Penn State president Graham Spanier will by [be?] out -- either by resignation or firing -- by the end of the day.
Easton Express-Times

Penn State University President Graham Spanier will either resign or be voted out by the end of today, a source close to the board of trustees told The Express-Times.

An interim president, most likely Executive Vice President and Provost Rodney A. Erickson, will be appointed and a nationwide search for a permanent replacement will begin, according to the source who requested anonymity.

Spanier was made aware in 2002 that a graduate assistant coach had seen former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky allegedly sexually assault a young boy in a shower in the Penn State locker room, according to grand jury testimony. Spanier did not involve police, according to testimony. ...

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