narby wrote:...I'm not a believer in "UFOs". But a lot of well trained people have seen shit. It would be interesting to know what it was, even if it was in their imaginations (which is quite possible - something like that happened to me and my boss, imagining a fire on an airplane that didn't exist - that BOTH of us thought the same thing was interesting).
Neither you nor your boss have seen anything there - repeat: anything. The mind control experiments have never happened, and the program does not exist.
It was just after having "cart started" an F-4E with a nuke hanging under it (no shit). "Cart Starting" is where a incendiary cartridge, the size of a big coffee can, is ignited inside the starter of a fighter jet, burning for 30 seconds or so, spinning up the engine. It's used for fast starts when the airplane is on alert, as we were with the nuke (they never flew, merely started the engines and did some secret pilot shit on the radio).
Anyway, my boss and I had recently had a real fire after a "hung" cart start. The thing burned badly, flaming down to the ground in a blast (rather than just smoke), and igniting some oil around the starter exhaust.
That had been without a nuke on the airplane, and the incident was the very next start, several days later. After a successful cart start, we were both nervous, looking carefully under the airplane to ensure we didn't have another fire. But because the nuke was hung down there, we couldn't actually go under the airplane and look. It's a very strict "two man control" thing. The guards with M-16s in front of each airplane said they would shoot first and ask questions later if we screwed up, and I believed them.
Actually, let me back up a bit. I was working the start by myself, and my boss was in his pickup truck at the entrance to the bomb shelter the plane was in. I thought I saw yellow flashing, like the reflection of fire, up under the airplane around the starter exhaust. But because of the two man control thing, I couldn't go under there by myself. So I went to my bosses truck, pointed out what I thought I saw, and he agreed it looked like a fire up inside the engine compartment.
So we unlimbered the fire extinguisher, and now there being two of us, we could go under the airplane with the extinguisher and look.
No fire. What we both had seen was the reflection of the yellow flashing light on the top of my bosses truck that was sitting in the entrance to the shelter. Down there where it was dark, from 20 feet away, it looked exactly like illumination from a JP-4 fire. Both of us thought it was a fire.
Anyway, the whole incident I think was a big deal because of the nuke hanging about 2 feet from where we thought the fire was, probably bouncing all the way to the Pentagon. This whole incident was only a few months after another F-4 had exploded during a cart start (with no nuke) at another base, flaming the whole thing pretty good. I think the powers-that-be decided that if they had a similar situation with the nuke involved, it would wind up an international incident, and everybody here probably would remember it.
So, they quit the practice of starting the airplanes. For readiness, that was probably a huge mistake, because the airplanes NEEDED to be started regularly, to warm up hydraulic seals, dry out the radar, and verify the damn thing would get an INS lock. If you let an F-4 sit for several weeks on alert, those things tend to break with regularity.
There was my (almost) 15 minutes of fame.