Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankruptc

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:18 pm

Special Ed at his best:

Michigan used to be a symbol of industrial strength in manufacturing in this country. But thanks to a lot of Republican policies, the city is now filing for bankruptcy. Now, it’s the largest public sector bankruptcy in U.S. history, and the consequences could be devastating if you care about people. The already small force of police, firefighters and EMTs are in danger of future layoffs, that’s only going to make it worse. Roughly 30,000 retired workers are concerned about their pensions. You know, what they’re counting on. Make no mistake, Detroit is exactly what the Republicans want. They outsourced manufacturing jobs, attack unions, cut public services, and this is the result. Now they can wipe the slate clean because now they can start privatizing city assets.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:28 pm

And... a significant portion of the American population will believe it, all of it!

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:34 pm

Detroit's glory days were when American industrial might was the ONLY industrial might on the planet.

Look at it this way: World War II ended the Great Depression...by destroying excess industrial capacity.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:22 am

Cobalt Shiva wrote:Detroit's glory days were when American industrial might was the ONLY industrial might on the planet.

Look at it this way: World War II ended the Great Depression...by destroying excess industrial capacity.


Exactly... and the only intact industrial infrastructure was... the USA.

Unfortunately, nobody thought about what would happen if the monopoly ended.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:35 am

hchutch wrote:
Cobalt Shiva wrote:Detroit's glory days were when American industrial might was the ONLY industrial might on the planet.

Look at it this way: World War II ended the Great Depression...by destroying excess industrial capacity.


Exactly... and the only intact industrial infrastructure was... the USA.

Unfortunately, nobody thought about what would happen if the monopoly ended.


What scares me is that someone might remind the Democrats of this bit of history, and that they might get ideas.

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Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:21 am

Cobalt Shiva wrote:Detroit's glory days were when American industrial might was the ONLY industrial might on the planet.

Look at it this way: World War II ended the Great Depression...by destroying excess industrial capacity.

Just break enough windows and the glaziers will become rich.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:39 am

I'm hearing the same thing form other leftists. Detroit is in ruin because of NAFTA, because big companies are off shoring. And because they are gutting social benefits. It's all the GOP's fault.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:45 am

doc30 wrote:I'm hearing the same thing form other leftists. Detroit is in ruin because of NAFTA, because big companies are off shoring. And because they are gutting social benefits. It's all the GOP's fault.


This should be an example of how easy it is to lead people into the "correct" conclusion despite what should be obvious.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:52 am

doc30 wrote:I'm hearing the same thing form other leftists. Detroit is in ruin because of NAFTA, because big companies are off shoring. And because they are gutting social benefits. It's all the GOP's fault.


Detroit was in a tailspin well before NAFTA came on the scene. It's not an exaggeration that this is the result of 40 or 50 years of just abject failure. The single biggest problem is that the city government basically a giant kleptocracy. If you want a contract in Detroit, you are simply expected to bribe or pay off officials and officials' friends, family members, with do-nothing jobs or other goodies. They were also willing to promise just about anything to their (too many) employees. And finally, the city services suck almost beyond belief and tax rates are sky high. Half of all property owners aren't paying them at all. Add it all up and you have a failed city.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:49 am

mjwise wrote:It's not an exaggeration that this is the result of 40 or 50 years of just abject failure. The single biggest problem is that the city government basically a giant kleptocracy. If you want a contract in Detroit, you are simply expected to bribe or pay off officials and officials' friends, family members, with do-nothing jobs or other goodies. They were also willing to promise just about anything to their (too many) employees. And finally, the city services suck almost beyond belief and tax rates are sky high. Half of all property owners aren't paying them at all. Add it all up and you have a failed city.
Those are all Republican policies.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:23 pm

mjwise wrote:
doc30 wrote:I'm hearing the same thing form other leftists. Detroit is in ruin because of NAFTA, because big companies are off shoring. And because they are gutting social benefits. It's all the GOP's fault.


Detroit was in a tailspin well before NAFTA came on the scene. It's not an exaggeration that this is the result of 40 or 50 years of just abject failure. The single biggest problem is that the city government basically a giant kleptocracy. If you want a contract in Detroit, you are simply expected to bribe or pay off officials and officials' friends, family members, with do-nothing jobs or other goodies. They were also willing to promise just about anything to their (too many) employees. And finally, the city services suck almost beyond belief and tax rates are sky high. Half of all property owners aren't paying them at all. Add it all up and you have a failed city.

Sounds like how things are done in 2nd and 3rd world countries. In Peru for example, if you simply want to open a store, there is a list of officials you need to bribe.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:49 pm

Nilla wrote:
mjwise wrote:
doc30 wrote:I'm hearing the same thing form other leftists. Detroit is in ruin because of NAFTA, because big companies are off shoring. And because they are gutting social benefits. It's all the GOP's fault.


Detroit was in a tailspin well before NAFTA came on the scene. It's not an exaggeration that this is the result of 40 or 50 years of just abject failure. The single biggest problem is that the city government basically a giant kleptocracy. If you want a contract in Detroit, you are simply expected to bribe or pay off officials and officials' friends, family members, with do-nothing jobs or other goodies. They were also willing to promise just about anything to their (too many) employees. And finally, the city services suck almost beyond belief and tax rates are sky high. Half of all property owners aren't paying them at all. Add it all up and you have a failed city.

Sounds like how things are done in 2nd and 3rd world countries. In Peru for example, if you simply want to open a store, there is a list of officials you need to bribe.


Think how much more efficient -- and thus business-friendly -- that policy is, rather than forcing the putative businessman to wander all over the town and province trying to identify which bureaucrats he needs to bribe to open his business; the ultimate example of "public-private partnership."

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:32 pm

Judge halts lawsuits seeking to block Detroit bankruptcy
A federal bankruptcy judge on Wednesday suspended pending lawsuits in state courts that are challenging Detroit's bankruptcy filing.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes said there is nothing in the 10th Amendment, which guides state vs. federal jurisdiction, that bars federal jurisdiction in this case. He said his court will be the exclusive venue for any legal action regarding the bankruptcy.

Detroit's Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr—a bankruptcy expert appointed by Gov. Rick Snyder earlier this year to oversee Detroit's finances—has said the federal bankruptcy filing is necessary to get the city out from under some $18 billion in liabilities. ...
:whistle:

< lxiv

Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:49 pm

The comments are telling.
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-city-wh ... 41904.html

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:21 pm

Cobalt Shiva wrote:
hchutch wrote:
Cobalt Shiva wrote:Detroit's glory days were when American industrial might was the ONLY industrial might on the planet.

Look at it this way: World War II ended the Great Depression...by destroying excess industrial capacity.


Exactly... and the only intact industrial infrastructure was... the USA.

Unfortunately, nobody thought about what would happen if the monopoly ended.


What scares me is that someone might remind the Democrats of this bit of history, and that they might get ideas.


Just remember, Dickless is in the Oval Office.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:23 pm

narby wrote:Special Ed at his best:

... Now they can wipe the slate clean because now they can start privatizing city assets.
and are there any assets worth privatizing? Who wants to be a slumlord - in a very bad slum?

Re: < lxiv

Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:41 pm

Doctor Stochastic wrote:The comments are telling.

Is that not their function?

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:08 pm

Perhaps Detroit was a one industry town whose mediocre product couldn't compete after a while? Bush's fault.

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:18 pm

Sam Cree wrote:Perhaps Detroit was a one industry town whose mediocre product couldn't compete after a while? Bush's fault.

Could possibly go back even further than that.

Ford's fault?

Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:28 pm

Posted previously, but it belongs here, too:

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Re: Ed Schultz: “Thanks to a lot of Republican policies, [Detroit] is now filing for bankr

Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:29 pm

the problem of detroit is not detroit per se [real estate, landscape, flora etc] but the detroiters.

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